tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post111731418072025524..comments2024-02-28T10:31:15.785+05:30Comments on Forty-two: Higher v/s Primary educationGopshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13862725206722657566noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post-1119103431447680552005-06-18T19:33:00.000+05:302005-06-18T19:33:00.000+05:30Gops, even if the textile engineering student's ed...Gops, even if the textile engineering student's education is funded, would that do any good in your scenario? I mean maybe he didnt have to pay 3-4 lakh and instead paid say 10k. He still doesnt have a job and there is no return on investment for the funding also. He probably will go to US or someplace else where there is a job for him. But who do you think will pay for his subsidy? you and me and all the tax paying citizens of our country - all for his contribution elsewhere. You may say that it comes back full circle (counter-argument to brain drain), but it does only if we create those opportunities. The reverse brain drain happened not because people willingly wanted to work here, but because the liberalization created more lucrative jobs. Imagine a similar situation in the textile R&D sector.kattrickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549986334681016368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post-1118518648657801812005-06-12T01:07:00.000+05:302005-06-12T01:07:00.000+05:30Vinod, How many paying positions do these avenues ...Vinod, <BR/><BR/>How many paying positions do these avenues create? Now, the IT sector has around a million people employed in good paying jobs. How much does one get in textiles? My friend runs a textile company - he has been to the US/Europe to get orders...you know how many Textile Engineers he has hired? 0. Because he doesn't need to. So, if you paid 3-4 lakhs to get a textile engineering degree, where would you be? <BR/><BR/>I don't think funding BA's and BSc's is a waste. (Or for that matter, funding any other higher education degree). All my high-school teachers were graduates. If we are going to increase our high schools by 1.1 million schools (the Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan talks about one school per habitation, and they say 1.1 million), don't we need proportional numbers of teachers, and teachers who would work at low pay scales? Now, imagine one's fate if he/she paid 3-4 lakhs for their education and then had to work for government salaries!<BR/><BR/>Even if everything else said holds, discrimination of the girl child is at least one reason why higher education should continue to be subsidized.Gopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862725206722657566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post-1117981539698930182005-06-05T19:55:00.000+05:302005-06-05T19:55:00.000+05:30Gops,Look outside IT/management as well.Most secto...Gops,<BR/>Look outside IT/management as well.Most sectors have benefited from liberalisation.To name a few - Media (TV , print publishing),entertainment, hospitality, banking, insurance, BPO, textiles. Most sectors have gained sufficient momentum wherein a student who pays for a good degree can hope to recoup his/her investment.What's the point in the govt funding hundreds of thousands of BScs/BAs and tens of thousands of BEs every year with the taxpayer's money, which is no good to anyone?Agree that where there's no good career opportunity in the private sector (as in very specialised areas), we can do well with govt funding on higer education and research institutes.Making students pay in all other specialisations(need not be paying out of pocket, could be bank loans) will act as a powerful discincentive(for BAs , BSCs) and will help by channelising our scarce resources(taxpayer's money) elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>-- Vinod (Publishing as anonymous as I forgot my passwd)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post-1117776413205855322005-06-03T10:56:00.000+05:302005-06-03T10:56:00.000+05:30I agree with your approach for primary education b...I agree with your approach for primary education but not for higher education. The average poor student's primary education needs must be subsidized so that basic education is imparted and forms a foundation for self-sustainence.<BR/><BR/>Remember education is just a tool, the government can do a better job spending money and effort in creating opportunities for economic growth. In areas of scientific and space research (that involve heavy investments and might be unsuitable for private investments) or in incubating an industry by cutting on taxes or duties (where the very same subsidies could be used more economically).kattrickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549986334681016368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post-1117635736804971632005-06-01T19:52:00.000+05:302005-06-01T19:52:00.000+05:30Karthi,I must disagree...while I am all for privat...Karthi,<BR/><BR/>I must disagree...while I am all for private universities and privately funded education, I prefer the old Karnataka model of either paying for teacher salaries or giving land grants (as subsidy). <BR/><BR/>Unlike power or elsewhere, where we can follow the consumer pays principle, we can't do that with education - what about the average poor student who cannot get a scholarship? Where will he go? What about someone like me? I didn't make it to the NTSC, so I would have _probably_ flunked an exam of similar scale that awards scholarships...how would I have paid lakhs for an engineering degree?<BR/><BR/>I don't know if private institutes are doing such a fabulous job. See any list of top 10 institutes in Engg, Medical, e.t.c...you may never find an UVCE, but you would rarely find one RV or one PESIT. Most other colleges are blood-sucking pests.Gopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862725206722657566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post-1117475669937365142005-05-30T23:24:00.000+05:302005-05-30T23:24:00.000+05:30Gops, you have a valid point. But I tend to disagr...Gops, you have a valid point. But I tend to disagree with the idea of subsidies. They havent worked in electric supply and they havent worked in foodgrain ration, they havent worked in rural education etc. Subsidies muddle up the balance sheet. They are very speculative investments where returns are hazy resulting in an opportunity for corrupt officials to embezzle and siphon off funds for there is no accountability.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, I agree with you that higher education must receive funds. But not as a subsidy for education for everyone. As a research grant for instance in areas where good job opportunities are rare, scholarship for high performing students etc. Education is a tool for the citizens to contribute to the growth of our country. But it doesnt end there. To utilize this tool towards economic and social growth, we need to create job opportunities for the "educated" to work. So subsidizing only education will not help.<BR/><BR/>Also subsidizing for all is not an incentive to perform. Change it slightly - let every student pay the same higher fees and let the high performing ones, ones doing rare research get a scholarship or grant to fund their tuition. This creates an incentive to perform. This creates an opportunity for students to earn and learn. <BR/><BR/>But now coming to the students who cannot afford the higher fee structure in the first place. Let there be loans easily available to them that they can repay after they land with a job (or pursue research). This way you indirectly subsidize but get the advantage of more transparent balance sheets. Leave the management of schools and universities to private sector or autonomous bodies - which have shown an incredible performance compared to govt and govt controlled ones (subsidy results in govt control as we have seen in the case of the IIMs).kattrickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549986334681016368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9218780.post-1117456133513029732005-05-30T17:58:00.000+05:302005-05-30T17:58:00.000+05:30Well said, Vinod!Yes, why should higher spending o...Well said, Vinod!<BR/><BR/>Yes, why should higher spending on primary education reflect in a cut in higher education? Because the people who rule the country are still caught in the scarcity mentality that I was talking about.<BR/><BR/>I don't agree that people today can 'encash' their degrees easily. Things are still tough for people who are not in IT/management. <BR/><BR/>Finally, on who should be subsidised - I would say everyone, with a provision to repay a portion (or the entire amount) once the student lands a job. The timeframe can be 10 or 20 years, and the amount to be repaid can vary depending on the course that was subsidised, employment opps, etc.<BR/><BR/>Or there can be a better model - I don't know. But I am sure that higher education _must_ receive funding.Gopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862725206722657566noreply@blogger.com